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#1
Quote from: Ricky on July 12, 2020, 07:16:52 AM
My stance on this has changed a bit. I think if they can do one last movie with Robert, they absolutely should. There's really no reason not to attempt it.

As for going forward after that...I don't know.

Agreed
#2
Cool! But I'll bet a million bucks it will still suffer from the MPAA cuts that plagues the international dvd and blu ray versions..
#3
A Nightmare on Elm Street / Re: RIP John Saxon
July 26, 2020, 02:37:27 AM
R.I.P.  :-[
#4
Yes, at the very least 20+ parents were affected. Probably others as well who were in on vigilante justice, with no real personal ties to Freddy's crimes.

As for how he was caught? I subscribe to loner Freddy, always have. He'd stick out in Springwood and would obviously be a person of interest. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if someone on the force decided to snoop around in Freddy's hideaway, most likely the power plant. And I don't think they'd bother with search warrants either. "I have a hunch about this guy. I'll just decide to check up on him on my own". Big mistake, since whatever evidence they'd obviously find would be 100% inadmissible because of this.
#5
A Nightmare on Elm Street / Re: 1428 Elm Street
June 14, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
Well.. In Jesse's defense, he did confront his father about the girl who lived there, went crazy because of the murder across the street and that her mother killed herself in the living room.. Talk about retcons galore..  But then the toaster exploded, effectively shutting down any more talk on the subject, which barely makes any sense at all haha His mother also seemed pretty pissed that the father kept that information away from her. But no, of course there was nothing wrong with the house  :P

The more I think about it, the more obvious it is that part 2 was a totally unrelated script. And vastly inferior. Obviously, they shoehorned it in but other than that they spent no time really developing the characters or anything. They're all basically throwaway slasher fodder. Jesse's family just vanishes from the movie halfway through without a second thought. And for some reason, his sister turns into a jump-rope girl.. The only thing part 2 really has going for it is atmosphere..

And as far as I know they didn't even ask Langenkamp to reprise her role. And her presence would have elevated the movie immensely. Yes, her diary just magically lies there, out in the open. Not to mention the noose casually hanging on the basement wall, hinting at her mother's alleged suicide. Okay, that scene is in a dream but still, what were they thinking?

Yes, Freddy using the house in part 3 as a venus flytrap to lure Nancy back sounds like a valid idea. Yet Freddy seems totally surprised when Nancy shows up on the scene. "You?!"
The halfway house was an interesting idea on paper, but it was far too ambitious and really didn't make too much sense. As such, it was probably for the better to use 1428 instead, continuity wise. Still it annoys me that none of the kids had no knowledge about it.

I too missed the boiler room in part 3. It's amazing that the fan favorite movie doesn't really feature it. Sure, the "Freddy-Hell" at the end vaguely resembles the boiler room, but it doesn't really quite cut it. Yeah, the real boiler room was probably shut down by then and off-limits to the crew. So, second best, I guess?

Yeah. Kristen in part 4 is now 100% familiar with the house on elm street. Okay, that's one thing. But her friends and her boyfriend has no knowledge about her staying in Westin Hills last year? They don't even seem to have any knowledge about her relationship with Kincaid and Joey..

There are so many retcons and discrepancies here, I don't know where to start. i do love the series, but I'm not blind to this stuff.

That's also interesting. Of course the happenings in the Thompson house would indeed have been in the media after part 1. That goes without saying. And I'm quite sure Mrs Parker knew them. Perhaps her not mentioning it to Kristen, even with the paper mache house, just was her way of dealing with stuff? she was secretive, stuck up and didn't exactly talk about stuff like that. So that one actually ties straight into her character traits. Especially if she in fact was part of the mob. "I don't wanna know, I don't wanna hear it, you're crazy, you need help!" Yeah, I see her as that kind of parent.. maybe she in her own logic thought Kristen would be safer in a mental clinic?

#6
That wasn't too shabby.  8)
#7
I think they're ghosts of his former murder spree. At least in parts 1 & 3. But yes, they also seem to function as Tina's memory. Hm..
#8
A Nightmare on Elm Street / Re: 1428 Elm Street
June 13, 2020, 07:46:18 PM
Regarding the house.. I do believe initially with part 2 it was simply used for recognition and continuity. We have to remember that the script for part 2 (written by David Chaskin) was actually an unrelated, stand alone horror movie script about a haunted house and demonic possession. It was shoehorned into being a Nightmare sequel, and i must say they did a damn fine job of doing so, it feels like the same universe as part 1. And given those circumstances, it makes perfect sense to use the same house from part 1. Especially sequel-wise "the new residents never knew what they just mortgaged.."
Also, Nancy's forgotten diary in Jesse's room was an excellent touch.

And along the lines of serendipity, the house itself became a recognized "character" in the series in it's own right. Haven't read Wes' original script for part 3 in a long time. But I do remember he did in fact not use 1428 in his script. Instead, he opted for an old run-down hathway house or something outside of Springwood, where Freddy had been born. Chuck Russel decided to turn that into 1428 instead. I agree, from a logical standpoint it doesn't make too much sense to use that specific hous as Freddy never lived there. But I do understand the reasoning behind it, as trhe house had become pretty iconic in the series by that point.

Another aspect of Wes' script that was completely removed in Russel's vision was that the script didn't even take place in Springwood. It was an unnamed town. And the kids at Westin Hills came from all over the states and suffered Freddy nightmares. Early signs of Freddy going apocalyptic? Anyway, I have to give Russel credit here over Wes here (a rare exception) for setting the story square in Springwood and having the kids be the children of the lynchmob that went after Freddy. That change on Chuck's behalf felt much more in tone with what Wes actually laid down plot-wise for part 1.

But apart from the house being iconic and recognizable on screen, it still doesn't make a lick of sense that Kristen (and the other kids) constantly dreamed about it. Sure, I have no problem believing Mrs Parker was part of the lynchmob. It's also a pet theory of mine that sergeant Parker in part 1 was Kristen's dad (retrospectively). But still, "Why are you obsessed with that old Thompson house, Kristen"? is something I honestly could hear Mrs Parker burst out..

I'm inclined to believe it's basically an idea to tie all the movies together. The real problematic issue starts with part 4. "It's not just a house, it's his home. He's in there and he's waiting for me to dream." C'mon, that's a total glaring retcon. Sure it's subtle enough at first, but when you really stop to think about it, it makes absolutely zero sense. Aaaand it paves way for the biggest retcon of them all; part 6 where Freddy suddenly is a married family man living in 1428..  ???

I'd honestly would have liked to see far more of the boiler room and much less of the house. why not use the different kids' own houses and environments instead?

In New Nightmare, it makes perfect sense again though. Sadly, the interior is not the original house. I remember Wes' commentary track that he actually  beat himself up and lamented this decision. Let's be honest, it would have been epic to have the same interior; Nancy's old bedroom, the basement, the door leading down to the boiler room..
He also said that someone at New Line said "We do still have one of the old run-down versions of 1428" after filming was wrapped.. "Well, why didn't you tell me?"  :o

It also makes perfect sense in FvJ; the new residents..

I do however like the old fan theory that's practically become almost canon; Freddy's soul was trapped there in part 1. However in part 2, he basically breaks free and literally returns to the boiler room at the power plant..
#9
Forum Feedback and Rules / Quote button
June 07, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
I wonder if there's something wrong regarding the quote button? When I use it and type an answer, the entire post looks like the quote in question? Maybe I'm just dumb and didn't do it correctly, but I've tried several times and it looks a bit off..
#10
Freddy's Life and death..

That's not a bad idea. Sure there are certain fan fics that does that, some even good. But it would obviously be nice to get something official. And yes, it would have to be a three-parter or at the very least two parts.

You need to start with Freddy's killing spree, no more beating around the bush. The Springwood Slasher needs to be adressed and shown.
So the first part needs to be american suburbia, white picket fences, children disappearing and turning up dead. Don't focus too much on Fred or make him the lead, focus on officer Thompson who's assigned to the case. And show a community falling apart at the seams.

Loner Freddy or family man Freddy? THAT is the question.. Personally I prefer loner Freddy, but I do recognize that most people are familiar with family man Freddy. so.. Whatever works for the story, I guess.

And this first part would focus on that, leading up to his subsequent arrest and mistrial.
And of course the lynching.

For the second part? Well, Freddy spent 10 years getting ready for returning to extract his revenge.
I'd say give us raw emotional human drama depicting the aftermath of this. What exactly happened between Donald and Marge? All we know is that they divorced. I'm also suspecting Donald got promoted to lieutenant for apprehending Freddy, even though the search warrant was botched.

But what happened to the other families? For instance the Parkers? Elaine seemed to have gotten the house and is shown living pretty well. Seargent Parker could certainly have been her husband and also Kristen's dad.

These are just loose ideas, but there's certainly enough drama to be found here..

Part 3. Well, this is essentially Freddy's return and basically Nightmare part 1. I'm NOT interested in revisiting the dream demons, but we need to visit the nightmare realm in here one way or another..
#11
Finally upgraded my Lucio Fulci collection to blu ray. Sure, I've watched these movies a hundred times, but not in their native italian language. It was almost like watching them for the first time again. Way better and less theatrical (original) voices, and the crystal clear image wasn't unwelcome either. It was a pleasure  :)
#12
Yes. Another retelling (rehash) of the mystery of who Freddy is and why he's after the kids is a waste of time and space at this point. Also, in this day and age the kids would be able to find out who he was and whatnot by a simple google search.. (yet another plothole in the remake btw..) Move on from that. Keep it in the original timeline, with the original story about The Springwood Slasher.
Freddy being a threat on a world wide scale threatening an apocalypse? Sure, no argument from me.  Nancy in the beautiful dream? No problem. Alice and Jacob? Great. Let's go. Original actors reprising their roles goes without saying. And bring back Bernstein to do the score. Happy ending or end of the world? Doesn't really matter to me  :P But yes, it has to be big!

#13
Quote from: HazelRah on May 27, 2020, 05:11:24 PM

If Robert Englund were to be brought back,the movie has gotta be big in scope.Because,lets be real, this will be the last one with him. This movie has to be epic .With the return of Alice and Jacob.With the return of Nancy as a spiritual Dream Master. With Nancy and Alice facing off against Krueger together in one big Final Woman fight.With all the amazing CGI and practical effects that could never be done before possible.



Like Santa Claus,in a new movie everyone should know Freddy.Children are taught in school how to control their dreams.Drafted and enlisted into a army of Warriors trained to fight Freddy inside the Nightmare.Parents will go to great lengths to help their children survive the night.Helicopter dream patrolling.Hypnocil addicts.Killer tweets.



Yup. Something like this
#14
I really want one last hoorah with Englund, and also preferrably Langenkamp in The Beautiful Dream. they're gonna reboot it anyway, why not indulge in what the fans clearly want?
Englund is 70+ years old, so what? So is Alice Cooper..
Look at part 1. freddy's lurking in the shadows. the few big stunts are stuntmen.. With an approach like that, where's the harm in Englund reprising his role one last time?